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  1. Darren

    Aug 24th, 2009

    Grand Central Dispatch requires a multi-core CPU. This eliminates all Mac Minis but the newest (2009) models

    This statement appears to conflict your own table and my own 2007 mac mini which is dual core. It doesnt have a 64bit EFI though.

    Darren

  2. sfoskett

    Aug 25th, 2009

    Oops, the table is right (as are you) and the sentence is wrong. Only the first-generation 2006 Mini had a single-core CPU.

  3. Jason

    Aug 26th, 2009

    I was wondering why the Intel Core 2 Duo processor, which is listed as a 64-bit processor, doesn't have firmware support for EFI64 and as such apparently won't run Snow Leopard in 64-bit mode.

  4. AlexB

    Aug 26th, 2009

    Strange… According to the 'Terminal Test' my late 2007 MacBook has EFI64!?

  5. JaDz

    Aug 26th, 2009

    MacBook Pro (ATI graphics) through Late 2006 -> Line 7 -> OpenCL=yes

    This is wrong.

  6. JaDz

    Aug 26th, 2009

    MacBook Pro (ATI graphics) through Late 2006 -> Line 7 -> OpenCL=yes

    This is wrong.

  7. kb1ibt

    Aug 26th, 2009

    Wouldn't there be some MacMini 2006 that are GCD compatible since there was a line of that series that had the Intel Core Duo. I get that the base model only had the Intel Core Solo but as can be seen by my System Profiler report below my first gen Intel mini does have a Core Duo.

    Model Identifier: Macmini1,1
    Processor Name: Intel Core Duo
    Processor Speed: 1.66 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 1
    Total Number Of Cores: 2

  8. Jeff

    Aug 26th, 2009

    It's worth pointing out that having a 32-bit EFI has *nothing* to do with whether a machine can run 64-bit applications. The kernel booting into 32-bit mode is orthogonal to whether or not it will run all 64-bit apps just fine. Apple completely decoupled the bitness of the kernel from the rest of the operating system a while ago. The way you have stated things here is misleading. All Macs with 64-bit Intel chips (most Intel Macs) will run 64-bit apps (including all system-level apps, all Unix-level apps, libraries, frameworks, etc) regardless of the EFI.

  9. holywarrior007

    Aug 26th, 2009

    I bought my MacBook in late 2008 just before the unibody refresh :( . I ran the command and it says EFI64. So I can boot SL in 64 bit mode this Friday :) .

  10. Joe

    Aug 26th, 2009

    Late model 2007 Alum iMac, = EFI64

    Intel C2Duo 2.4 GHz

  11. sfoskett

    Aug 26th, 2009

    It's not the CPU, it's the EFI firmware used by Apple. They used 32-bit EFI on many machines up through 2007-ish. I'm not sure exactly which is which and am updating as reports come in. See below!

    Also, note that 64-bit Snow Leopard CAN run on a 32-bit EFI with hacks. I imagine these will follow the OS release…

  12. sfoskett

    Aug 26th, 2009

    Thanks! I made the change to show that late-2007 change. Keep 'em coming!

  13. sfoskett

    Aug 26th, 2009

    Thanks for catching that! You're right = 2006 ATI MacBook Pro will not support OpenCL.

  14. sfoskett

    Aug 26th, 2009

    You can optionally boot SL-64 on Friday, you mean! I wonder why Apple won't boot it in 64-bit by default…

  15. sfoskett

    Aug 26th, 2009

    You are correct, Jeff. Leopard runs 64-bit apps today just fine, it's just that parts of the OS itself, including the kernel I believe, are still 32-bit. The big difference from booting into 64-bit mode in Snow Leopard is its ability to handle huge amounts of RAM. Care to correct me or expand on this, Jeff?

  16. Hjhstaff

    Aug 26th, 2009

    I have a Mac Mini from April 2008 (Model Identifier: Macmini2,1) and I had noticed it runs Apache in 64 bit mode. So I had been assuming it was 64 bit capable and ready to go.

    I'll be interested to see how this develops.

  17. holywarrior007

    Aug 27th, 2009

    Yeah this is true. But I guess it has to do with the fact not all drivers are 64 bit ready. So it is safer to boot in 32-bit mode and still being able to run applications in 64-bit mode. In this way you will not have trouble related to lack of drivers for some applications. All other benefits of 64-bit systems are there. My guess is that in future, when lack of drivers in not an issue, we will have SL booting in 64-bit mode by default.

  18. Brian

    Aug 27th, 2009

    There is a Macbook pro that you are missing. It was introduced on October 24th 2006 and discontinued June 5th 2007. It has the Core 2 Duo (T7600) processor so it will have 64 bit support. However it has the ATI Radeon X1600 so it will not have OPENCL support.

  19. knujlla

    Aug 28th, 2009

    Regarding ” But Snow Leopard defaults to 32-bit mode on ALL Macs…”, could you share how to enforce that my iMac does boot in the 64-bit mode?

  20. deanr

    Aug 29th, 2009

    What do you even mean by “Yes, with 1GB ram”? Im typing this on my early 2007 whitebook with 1.5 of my 2g used

  21. Raima

    Aug 29th, 2009

    Confirming my 2009 Mac mini purchased 3 weeks ago with 64bit processor and 64bit EFI does not allow to boot up with the 64bit kernel. Another win for Windows 7 x64. Much better than the half baked solution Apple offers

  22. sfoskett

    Aug 29th, 2009

    It means that Snow Leopard requires 1 GB of RAM, and these machines were available with less. Just about everyone has 1 GB these days…

  23. andrewthephotographer

    Aug 30th, 2009

    I have that model (bought Feb 07) and the system is reporting EFI32…

    This is annoying as I also assumed that the presence of the Core2Duo would give me the 64bit OS. :(

  24. raymondcranfill

    Aug 30th, 2009

    The Unibody Macbook, at least the late 2008 model, DOES include a 64-bit EFI. Note, this was the last model produced (no Firewire 800, SSD Slot) prior to the release of the MacBook Pro 13″.

    What I wonder, however, is why the 2007 iMac is hobbled with a 32-EFI. The T7400 Core2Duo chip is fully 64-bit capable. It seems like something Sony would pull.

  25. loris

    Aug 30th, 2009

    Nome modello: MacBook Pro
    Identificatore modello: MacBookPro3,1
    Nome processore: Intel Core 2 Duo
    Velocità processore: 2.4 GHz
    Numero di processori: 1
    Numero totale di nuclei: 2
    Cache L2: 4 MB
    Memoria: 4 GB
    Velocità bus: 800 MHz
    Versione Boot ROM: MBP31.0070.B07
    Version SMC (sistema): 1.16f11

    from terminal window:
    MacBook-Pro:~ user$ ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
    | | “firmware-abi” = <”EFI64″>

  26. Emacsi

    Aug 31st, 2009

    I have MacBook white (2009-present) and Mac Mini (2009) and they have both 64bit EFI.
    Thank you!

  27. Antonio Malcolm

    Aug 31st, 2009

    The 2007-2008 Nvidia-equipped MacBook Pros (Santa Rosa) are 64-bit, have 64-bit EFI, and are supported as such by Apple, so you may want to edit your chart.

    *MacBook Pro (Nvidia graphics) from 2007-early 2008

    In case you're curious, they're also supported for OpenCL. The 8600s are also H.264-capable, so I'm not sure why we don't get that with Quicktime yet. Maybe it's a driver issue of some sort?

  28. Antonio Malcolm

    Aug 31st, 2009

    to edit my above comment- ah, nevermind. I just read your latest entry, and better understand what you're talking about with the 64-bit support.
    I do think we'll see it though, on the Santa Rosa models. There's nothing to keep them from supporting, as the hardware and firmware is there.

  29. Name

    Sep 3rd, 2009

    My 2008 black MacBook has a 64 bit efi, does that mean it will run in 64 bit? This seems to contradict what the table says regarding 64 bit support.

  30. yeshes

    Sep 3rd, 2009

    my early 2008 macbook pro (penryn) has EFI64

  31. Holger Frohloff

    Sep 8th, 2009

    Hi Stephen,
    just used the terminal to check and it seems as though I can run with complete 64bit support.
    Here are some infos about my MBP:
    Modellname: MacBook Pro, MacBookPro4,1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.4 GHz
    L2-Cache: 3 MB
    RAM: 2 GB
    Bus: 800 MHz
    I bought it in August 2008.

  32. Robert Riccomi

    Oct 6th, 2009

    I have a Macbook 5,1 Unibody Serial No. W8842EDE1AQ
    I installed Snow Leopard 10.6.1
    I will not change to 64bit mode (held down 6 4 while booting both from scratch and after shutting down and restarting.

    Checked EFI as suggested. It reported EFI64??????????

  33. Robert Riccomi

    Oct 7th, 2009

    I have a Macbook 5,1 Unibody Serial No. W8842EDE1AQ
    I installed Snow Leopard 10.6.1
    I will not change to 64bit mode (held down 6 4 while booting both from scratch and after shutting down and restarting.

    Checked EFI as suggested. It reported EFI64??????????

  34. jalliene

    Jun 23rd, 2010

    your a gay or not

  35. Monolith

    Aug 12th, 2010

    Late 2008 17″ MacBookPro 4,1 – Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.6 GHz
    L2 Cache: 6 MB, Bus Speed: 800 MHz

    = Ta-da! < "EFI64"> ….Yay!!!!!

    Thanks for confirming that for me.


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