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    1. stevetodd

      Nov 10th, 2008

      Hi Stephen,
      Nice post.
      I don’t view VDC/Atmos as a clash of marketing. VDC-OS is meant to be deployed in a data center. Atmos spans data-centers. So in theory, Atmos could be deployed as the unity of multiple VDC-OS data centers. EMC didn’t build the first version of Atmos that way (Atmos was shipping before VDC-OS was evevn announced).
      I hope to write a couple of posts this week to compare/contrast Atmos and Centera as well as discuss some Atmos internals.
      Steve

    2. Stephen

      Nov 10th, 2008

      Steve,
      I look forward to learning more about Atmos. I have to admit I’m a little disappointed that it won’t be more applicable to a wider market – not too many will be buying 120 TB of global storage in one go!

      I’d love to hear how Atmos could serve VDC-OS!
      Stephen

    3. Chad Sakac

      Nov 10th, 2008

      Stephen – don’t know if it will help, but I did a post on the topic (relationship between vCloud and Atmos on my blog here: http://virtualgeek.typepad.com/virtual_geek/2008/11/whats-the-relat.html

      I do agree that this is a time where too many things use the “cloud” phrasology, but that inevitable whenever there’s a new show in town.

      So, perhaps making it more clear:

      VDC-OS = a strategy for building a virtualized, flexible datacenter, and a new framework for VMware’s core products. every enterprise is a fit for this, in the same way that every customer is a fit for storage designed for the VDC-OS (SANs and NAS).

      vCloud = an initiative: standardized APIs and models for people to build cloud services targeted at the VM as the object. You can’t “buy” vCloud. vCloud is an initiative to help support people building services which can host VMs by standardizing models and building a cloud-scale management model (which ain’t Virtual Center). It also has work happening down the replication (get data in and out of the cloud) and security (how do you secure that VM when it’s in the vCloud-based infrastructure). Target customers for this are carriers, service providers, large SIs. Some of the largest VMware customers will use the vCloud APIs and models to manage their own internal VDC-OSes, since they are at internet scale (see how Credit Suisse built, then spun off their own in-house management toolset for VMware/Hyper-V/Xen – proving that the biggest of the big are building home grown).

      Atmos = a product: storage software designed for to support the cloud use case – including vCloud oriented compute layers. It has the same target customer base as vCloud (people who are building cloud infrastructure) Likewise, it can potentially be used by our largest customers who are at internet scale – but like vCloud – that’s not the design point. You said it exactly “if you want to set up shop to compete with those service providers, Atmos is a dream come true with built-in multi-tenancy.” – that’s the design point.

    4. marc.farley@3par.com

      Nov 10th, 2008

      Hey Stephen, good post! The hype today has been way out of whack.

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    6. Stephen

      Nov 11th, 2008

      Chad,

      Thanks for this, and your informative reply post!

      Everyone,

      READ CHAD’S BLOG! It’s one of the best!

      Stephen

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