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		<title>CloudStuff Versus Stuff in the Cloud</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This world of cloud computing sure can seem cloudy. Last night at CloudCamp Columbus, I led a session outlining the incredible differences between the diverse offerings all called cloud storage. How can companies like Amazon, Nirvanix, Rackspace, EMC, and the rest use the same name for such vastly different products? Check out these detailed posts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/logo_cloudcamp.png" ><img style=' float: right; padding: 4px; margin: 0 0 2px 7px;'  class="alignright size-full wp-image-2053" title="logo_cloudcamp" src="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/logo_cloudcamp.png" alt="logo_cloudcamp" width="308" height="70" /></a>This world of cloud computing sure can seem cloudy. Last night at CloudCamp Columbus, I led a session outlining <strong>the incredible differences between the diverse offerings all called cloud storage</strong>. How can companies like Amazon, Nirvanix, Rackspace, EMC, and the rest use the same name for such vastly different products?<span id="more-2134"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Check out these detailed posts on cloud storage I wrote for my other blog, <a href="http://developer.nirvanix.com/blogs/strategies/default.aspx"  target="_blank">Enterprise Storage Strategies</a>:</p>
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<li><a href="http://developer.nirvanix.com/blogs/strategies/archive/2009/06/29/cloud-storage-storage-in-the-cloud-and-cloudy-storage-systems.aspx" >Cloud Storage, Storage in the Cloud, and Cloudy Storage Systems</a></li>
<li><a href="http://developer.nirvanix.com/blogs/strategies/archive/2009/06/19/what-makes-cloud-storage-different-from-traditional-san-and-nas.aspx" >What Makes Cloud Storage Different from Traditional SAN and NAS?</a></li>
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<p>Eventually, it dawned on me: <strong>There&#8217;s a big difference between real cloudstuff and plain old stuff in the cloud!</strong></p>
<p>Lots of cloud computing offerings are <strong>startlingly conventional</strong>. They&#8217;re plain-jane IT infrastructure just like we all have today: Virtual servers, storage, and databases. Strip away the management API and self-service model and Amazon <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/"  target="_blank">EC2</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aws.amazon.com/ebs/"  target="_blank">EBS</a> looks an awful lot like the Xen-based virtual server infrastructure you might find at any old IT shop. The same goes for Rackspace&#8217;s <a href="http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers"  target="_blank">Mosso Cloud Servers</a>: They&#8217;re extremely similar to Rackspace&#8217;s <a href="http://www.slicehost.com/"  target="_blank">Slicehost virtual private servers</a>!</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t all bad, of course. As I discussed with EMC&#8217;s <a rel="nofollow" href="http://thestorageanarchist.typepad.com/"  target="_blank">Barry Burke</a> last week, <strong>you can theoretically run your ERP application on EC2</strong> without major gyrations. Try that with <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.microsoft.com/azure/default.mspx"  target="_blank">Microsoft Azure</a> or <a rel="nofollow" href="http://code.google.com/appengine/"  target="_blank">Google App Engine</a>! And the management layers, especially those from companies like <a href="http://www.rightscale.com/"  target="_blank">RightScale</a>, turn these run-of-the-mill parts into something really extraordinary! VMware&#8217;s vCloud concept really hammers home this evolution-not-revolution mindset.</p>
<p><strong>Real cloudstuff is completely different</strong>. Comparing a Xen instance running Linux on some disk (a-la EC2) to a programmable platform like Azure is problematic. Just about the only thing they have in common (apart from the cloud name) is the fact that they&#8217;re hosted on multi-tenant servers and offered to the public on a pay-per-usage model. Cloudstuff is the IT revolution that application developers have dreamed of!</p>
<p>Of course, <strong>the problem with whole-cloth reinvention is that it&#8217;s slow to take hold</strong>. Although net-new apps can be built to take advantage of full-on cloud infrastructure today, it will literally be a decade before the corporate IT applications we all rely on will run there. The early adopters will be companies like Microsoft and Google, who have a vested interest in seeing the concept succeed and the development muscle to make it happen.</p>
<p>Then there are <strong>the bridges between today&#8217;s world and this cloudstuff future</strong>. Consider applications like <a href="http://www.nirvanix.com/products-services/standard-based-access/index.aspx"  target="_blank">Nirvanix CloudNAS</a> and <a href="http://www.jungledisk.com/"  target="_blank">Jungle Disk</a>: They hide the complexity of API-driven cloud storage behind the familiar face of file server or backup application. Once the data is loaded, cloud-aware applications can access it. <strong>This is where the magic happens!</strong></p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>You might also want to read these other posts...</h3><ul><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/03/19/sun-cloud/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Sun Launches Their Own Cloud, But For Which Market?</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/09/22/zend-simple-cloud-api/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Zend Simple Cloud API = Freedom!</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/04/23/enterprise-storage-strategies-blog/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Introducing the Enterprise Storage Strategies Blog</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/07/24/boston-folks-cloudcamp/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Boston Folks: Come to CloudCamp!</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2010/02/01/commvault-cloud-storage-seat-adult-table/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">CommVault Gives Cloud Storage A Seat At The Adult Table</a></li></ul></div><script src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~s/sfoskett?i=http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/07/01/cloudstuff-stuff-cloud/" type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"></script><hr />
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		<title>Sun Launches Their Own Cloud, But For Which Market?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the bulk of Sun-related news this week relates to reported talks of a buyout by IBM, the company took a break from negotiations to introduce their own cloud computing and storage infrastructure, challenging Amazon, Google, Rackspace, and perhaps VMware, Microsoft, and Nirvanix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_1580" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 228px;  border: 1px solid #dddddd; background-color: #f3f3f3; padding-top: 4px; margin: 10px; text-align:center; float: right;"><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sun-cloud.jpg" ><img class="size-medium wp-image-1580 " title="sun-cloud" src="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sun-cloud-272x300.jpg" alt="Sun is getting into the cloud services business, but which market is their target?" width="218" height="240" /></a><p style=' padding: 0 4px 5px; margin: 0;'  class="wp-caption-text">Sun is getting into the cloud services business, but which market is their target?</p></div>
<p>While the bulk of Sun-related news this week relates to reported talks of a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742081606578475.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"  target="_blank">buyout by IBM</a>, the company took a break from negotiations to introduce their own <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/17/Sun_enters_the_cloud_1.html"  target="_blank">cloud computing and storage infrastructure</a>, challenging Amazon, Google, Rackspace, and perhaps VMware, Microsoft, and Nirvanix.</p>
<p>Sun is leveraging the assets they <a href="http://gigaom.com/2009/01/08/for-sun-q-layer-is-a-smart-buy/"  target="_blank">acquired</a> from <a href="http://www.sun.com/software/q-layer/"  target="_blank">Q-layer</a> earlier this year on top of OpenSolaris, MySQL, ZFS, and just about everything else in their arsenal to offer <strong>their own virtual data center (VDC) strategy</strong>. The Sun Cloud will be a private (inside the firewall) environment offering mobility of virtual machines. Q-layer had partnerships with both VMware and Microsoft and functioned with Windows, OpenSolaris, and Linux, suggesting that this will be quite a full-featured offering. Suddenly Sun&#8217;s free <a href="http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/amazon/"  target="_blank">OpenSolaris offering</a> on Amazon EC2 makes a lot more sense &#8211; it provides a gateway to take virtual computing business from the Bezos team!</p>
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<p>One very nifty angle Sun is taking is <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/unified_computing"  target="_blank">enabling VirtualBox system images</a> to be saved to (and presumably run in) their cloud. I wonder about monetization, since VirtualBox is more of a desktop virtualization system than VMware ESX and Microsoft Hyper-V, but the prospect of clicking &#8220;Upload to Cloud&#8221; is intriguing! OpenOffice will also allow cloud storage, a foil to Google Apps.</p>
<p>The Sun Cloud also includes a <strong>managed storage service</strong>. Sun apparently has three storage protocols: A proprietary Sun Cloud Storage API, WebDAV, and an object API likely leveraging Amazon&#8217;s AWS. The company claims that they are API-compatible with AWS, allowing applications written with Amazon in mind to be easily ported to their cloud storage service.</p>
<p>One key point to consider with all of this cloud talk, however, is how prepared each company is to support enterprise computing needs. Long-term viability depends on paying customers, and only the largest systems can attract enough end-user nickels and dimes to survive. Enterprise solutions are where the real money is, and questions remain about how prepared companies like Amazon, Google, and Rackspace are to support the needs of corporate users.</p>
<p>There are really <strong>three cloud markets</strong>: Shared clouds for small developers and enterprise customers and private cloud systems. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/"  target="_blank">Amazon</a> was strong from the start with the little guys, Web 2.0 startups and end-user services like <a href="http://www.jungledisk.com/"  target="_blank">Jungle Disk</a>, and <a href="http://www.rackspace.com/solutions/cloud_hosting/index.php"  target="_blank">Rackspace/Mosso</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://code.google.com/appengine/"  target="_blank">Google</a> are challenging them in this space. Sun&#8217;s focus on AWS compatibility and VirtualBox suggests that they plan to play in this sandbox.</p>
<p>But <strong>the enterprise cloud is another matter entirely</strong>. <a href="http://www.nirvanix.com/"  target="_blank">Nirvanix</a> stands strong in shared managed storage services, racking up <a href="http://www.socaltech.com/nirvanix_gets_win_in_arizona/s-0020507.html"  target="_blank">win</a> after <a href="http://searchdisasterrecovery.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid190_gci1350630,00.html"  target="_blank">win</a> with big customers. <a href="http://www.emc.com/products/detail/software/atmos.htm"  target="_blank">EMC</a>, <a href="http://www.vmware.com/technology/virtual-datacenter-os/"  target="_blank">VMware</a>, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.microsoft.com/azure/default.mspx"  target="_blank">Microsoft</a> and others are positioning themselves as private alternatives in this space. Will <a href="http://www.sun.com/solutions/cloudcomputing/index.jsp"  target="_blank">Sun</a> try to compete here, too? They are certainly talking about private clouds and the virtual data center, but there is a serious risk that they will lose focus trying to take on too many roles, and enterprise users won&#8217;t tolerate poor pre- and post-sales support! </p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>You might also want to read these other posts...</h3><ul><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/07/01/cloudstuff-stuff-cloud/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">CloudStuff Versus Stuff in the Cloud</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/09/22/zend-simple-cloud-api/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Zend Simple Cloud API = Freedom!</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2010/01/12/gdrive-finally-launched/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Is GDrive Finally Being Launched?</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/05/19/lessons-cloud-computing-conference-expo-prague-2009/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Lessons From the Cloud Computing Conference and Expo Prague 2009</a></li><li><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/09/16/cloud-services-standards/"  rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">We Don&#8217;t Need Cloud Standards (Yet)</a></li></ul></div><script src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~s/sfoskett?i=http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/03/19/sun-cloud/" type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8"></script><hr />
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