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		<title>Stephen&#8217;s HP Product Line Decoder Ring</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[HP has always been an alphabet soup company, assigning just about every item in their bewildering array of products a unique product number. Like Mercedes-Benz cars, even the product names are a mix of letters and numbers that can be off-putting to browsers. Now that they have grown to supersize proportions through internal expansion and acquisition, just about everyone outside the company seems to have trouble decoding the product line, so I decided to take a stab at decoding the enterprise lineup in plain english.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_3753" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px;  border: 1px solid #dddddd; background-color: #f3f3f3; padding-top: 4px; margin: 10px; text-align:center; display: block; margin-right: auto; margin-left: auto;"><a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Japanese-WWII-Enigma-Machine.jpg" ><img class="size-medium wp-image-3753" title="Japanese WWII Enigma Machine" src="http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Japanese-WWII-Enigma-Machine-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" /></a><p style=' padding: 0 4px 5px; margin: 0;'  class="wp-caption-text">Do you want X-series or P-series storage? Is A-series networking gear any good? And where did all these HP products come from?</p></div>
<p>HP has always been an alphabet soup company, assigning just about every item in their bewildering array of products a unique product number. Like Mercedes-Benz cars, even the product names are a mix of letters and numbers that can be off-putting to browsers. Now that they have grown to supersize proportions through internal expansion and acquisition, just about everyone outside the company seems to have trouble decoding the product line, so I decided to take a stab at decoding the enterprise lineup in plain english.</p>
<h3>An Important Note</h3>
<p>This is not a political activity. I&#8217;m not trying to comment on which product is better than which or pigeonhole something by calling it &#8220;midrange&#8221; when HP thinks it&#8217;s &#8220;high-end&#8221;. I&#8217;m trying to be descriptive and helpful to prospective buyers working to understand the multitude of products sold by HP.</p>
<p>I welcome your input. In fact, I demand it! I don&#8217;t know which product is which and need your help to improve this list. Please feel free to comment and suggest corrections and additions (wireless?)</p>
<h3>Storage Products (&#8220;StorageWorks&#8221;)</h3>
<p>HP&#8217;s storage products are divided into three categories:</p>
<ul>
<li>P-series is block (SAN) storage using Fibre Channel or iSCSI</li>
<li>X-series is file (NAS) storage</li>
<li>Disk backup will presumably get a letter series in the future</li>
</ul>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th>Category</th>
<th>Product Line</th>
<th>Source</th>
<th>Type</th>
<th>In English</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="7">SAN<br />
(P-series)</td>
<td>StorageWorks P9500</td>
<td>Hitachi VSP</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>High-end enterprise SAN storage with mainframe support</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks XP2x000</td>
<td>Hitachi USP</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Enterprise SAN storage (formerly called XP)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3PAR T-Class</td>
<td>3PAR InServ T-Class</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Mid-high enterprise SAN storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>3PAR F-Class</td>
<td>3PAR InServ F-Class</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Midrange SAN storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks EVA 4/6/8400</td>
<td>DEC/Compaq</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Midrange SAN storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks P4000</td>
<td>LeftHand</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Midrange iSCSI storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks P2000</td>
<td>Dot Hill</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Mainstream SAN storage, formerly called MSA</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="6">NAS<br />
(X-series)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks X9000</td>
<td>Ibrix</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Scale-out NAS</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks X5000</td>
<td>PolyServe</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Scale-out NAS</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks 4400</td>
<td>PolyServe</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Combination of PolyServe X5000 and EVA storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks X1000/X3000</td>
<td>Microsoft software</td>
<td>OEM/HP</td>
<td>Midrange NAS using Microsoft Windows Storage Server software and HP hardware (X3000 is a gateway with WSS Enterprise Edition, X1000 includes more HP software)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks X300/X500</td>
<td>Microsoft software</td>
<td>OEM/HP</td>
<td>Entry-level NAS using ProLiant server hardware and Microsoft Windows Home Server software</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="3">Storage<br />
Networking</td>
<td>C-series</td>
<td>Cisco</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Multi-protocol (FC/iSCSI/FCIP) switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>B-series</td>
<td>Brocade</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Fibre Channel switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>H-series</td>
<td>Qlogic</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Midrange Fibre Channel switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="5">Disk<br />
Backup</td>
<td>StorageWorks 12000 VLS</td>
<td>Sepaton</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>High-end enterprise virtual tape gateway with EVA storage</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks 9000 VLS</td>
<td>Sepaton</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Midrange enterprise virtual tape library</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks D2D4000</td>
<td>StoreOnce</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>Midrange deduplication disk backup</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks D2D2000</td>
<td>StoreOnce</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>Mainstream deduplication disk backup</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks RDX</td>
<td>ProStor</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Removable disk backup system</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="5">Tape<br />
Backup</td>
<td>StorageWorks ESL</td>
<td>Quantum</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>High-end tape library, with enhancements and drives from HP</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks EML</td>
<td>Oracle (STK)</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Midrange tape library, significantly enhanced by HP and with HP drives</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks MSL6000</td>
<td>Overland</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Mid-size tape libraries</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks MSL2000/MSL8000</td>
<td>BDT</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Small- to mid-size tape libraries, significant HP design input</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>StorageWorks Autoloader</td>
<td>BDT</td>
<td>OEM</td>
<td>Small tape autoloaders</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h4>Storage Product Notes</h4>
<p>HP engineering input into OEMed products ranges from minimal to substantial. The EML tape library, for example, is very different from the standard Oracle (STK) product on which it is based. The high-end Hitachi-based storage includes substantial HP input as well.</p>
<p>HP StorageWorks VP of Marketing Tom Joyce informed me that the 3PAR T- and F-Class boxes won&#8217;t be renamed at this point. This is probably a good move &#8211; capitalize on the value of the 3PAR name rather than the virtually-unknown &#8220;P-series&#8221; nomenclature.</p>
<p>Others tell me that the StorageWorks 4400 is hitting end-of-life in the now-ish timeframe. So it won&#8217;t get a new name either.</p>
<h3><strong>Networking Products</strong></h3>
<p>HP&#8217;s networking products are divided into three categories:</p>
<ul>
<li>A-series is enterprise-class core switching, routing, and 200+ AP wireless</li>
<li>E-series is mid-market and SMB switching and smaller wireless</li>
<li>V-series is SMB and SoHo web-managed and unmanaged switching and wireless</li>
</ul>
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<tbody>
<tr>
<th>Category</th>
<th>Product Line</th>
<th>Source</th>
<th>Type</th>
<th>In English</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="6">Switching</td>
<td>A-series Modular</td>
<td>H3C</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>High-end datacenter switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>A6000 blade switch</td>
<td>ProCurve</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>Blade server switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>A-series Fixed</td>
<td>H3C</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Fixed-port switching</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>E-series (except below)</td>
<td>ProCurve</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>SMB/midmarket networking</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>E4200/E4500/<br />
E4800/E5500</td>
<td>H3C</td>
<td>Acquired</td>
<td>Stackable and edge networking</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>V-series</td>
<td>ProCurve</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>SOHO/SMB networking</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2">Routing</td>
<td>A-series</td>
<td>H3C</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>High-end routing</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>ProCurve A7000</td>
<td>ProCurve</td>
<td>In-House</td>
<td>SMB routing</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2">Wireless</td>
<td>A-series</td>
<td>H3C</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>High-end wireless</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>E-MSM</td>
<td>Colubris</td>
<td>Acquisition</td>
<td>Midrange wireless</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h4>Networking Product Notes</h4>
<p>HP&#8217;s 3Com acquisition focused primarily on the H3C (former Huawei/3Com joint venture) high-end switching and routing products. Although some 3Com gear remains in the E-series line (particularly stackable switches), the low-end fixed-port switches have seemingly been eliminated from the product line. The Colubris acquisition provided HP with scalable wireless products now slotted below the H3C gear.</p>
<h3>Stephen&#8217;s Stance</h3>
<p>Product lines are always confusing at large companies, and doubly so where acquisitions bring in legacy products and customers. I wish HP the best of luck sorting all this out!</p>
<p>Note: The photo at the top is of a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine#Enigma_derivatives"  target="_blank">Japanese clone</a> of the Enigma Machine from World War II.</p>
<p><em>Image credit: </em><em><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/radiorover/363751195/"  target="_blank">Japanese WWII Enigma Machine</a></em><em> by </em><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/radiorover/" ><em>Radio Rover</em></a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[HP and Ivy did a darn fine job of putting together a set of sessions to tell us what they have. They presented folks who really knew their stuff, warts and all. They invited a variety of independent voices and let us ask and say anything we wanted with no expectations, let alone an NDA. This was a stellar event, and every other IT company should be asking why they didn't do it first.]]></description>
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<p>Well that was interesting! I spent Monday and Tuesday with a dozen bloggers in Colorado Springs learning about HP&#8217;s key StorageWorks products from the executives and engineers of that storied company. Throughout the event, we listened, asked tough questions, and tweeted incessantly. <strong>HP Tech Day generated an avalanche of publicity for the company</strong>, including press articles and cries of FUD and misdirection.</p>
<p>Here is the truth: HP and <a href="http://www.ivyworldwide.com/"  target="_blank">Ivy</a> did a darn fine job of putting together a set of sessions to tell us what they have. They presented folks who really knew their stuff, warts and all. They invited a variety of independent voices and let us ask and say anything we wanted with no expectations, let alone an NDA. <strong>This was a stellar event, and every other IT company should be asking why they didn&#8217;t do it first</strong>.<span id="more-2323"></span></p>
<h3>Won&#8217;t Be Fooled</h3>
<p>But what was HP Tech Day really all about? Did they <strong>brainwash us</strong> into thinking the EVA was exciting? Did HP hoodwink and misdirect us from noticing the <strong>gaps and overlaps</strong> in their product line? Were we dazzled enough to no longer <strong>question their storage strategy</strong>? Of course not! <a href="http://storagemojo.com/"  target="_blank">Robin Harris</a> has seen it all before. <a href="http://vmetc.com/"  target="_blank">Rich Brambley</a> can dissect a presentation with the best of them. <a href="http://blogs.rupturedmonkey.com/"  target="_blank">Nigel Poulton</a> questions everything he sees. <strong>This was not a love-fest</strong>, and there were some seriously uncomfortable moments for the HP crew.</p>
<p>We were all savvy enough to know what the score was: HP (and especially their StorageWorks product line) has never received much press or blogger attention. They invited us in to spread the word about their products and get blog exposure. And it worked! The storage Twitter-sphere was dominated with <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23HPTechDay"  target="_blank">#HPTechDay</a> postings for days, and attendees <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.communities.hp.com/online/blogs/datastorage/archive/2009/10/01/storageworks-tech-day-in-their-words-so-far.aspx"  target="_blank">did indeed blog</a> about the stuff they saw. <strong>It was a success from HP&#8217;s perspective</strong>, and now that we know more about their products we will likely cover them in the future.</p>
<p>I personally never blogged much about HP products. I <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/08/07/storage-vendors-automakers/"  target="_blank">compared them to Ford</a>, called one product an <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/12/06/top-ten-coolest-enterprise-storage-flops/"  target="_blank">all-time cool flop</a>, and covered their <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/10/01/hp-picks-iscsi-contender-lefthand-networks/"  target="_blank">acquisition of LeftHand</a> and <a href="http://gestaltit.com/featured/top/stephen/hp-acquires-ibrix/"  target="_blank">Ibrix</a>, but that&#8217;s about it. I didn&#8217;t even notice that they had started selling LSI&#8217;s StoreAge-based virtualization platform, and didn&#8217;t know enough about their other product releases over the last two years to mention them. If it hadn&#8217;t been for <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.communities.hp.com/online/blogs/datastorage/default.aspx"  target="_blank">Calvin Zito</a> and the HP Tech Day, I probably wouldn&#8217;t mention them in the future, either. <strong>They just weren&#8217;t on my radar</strong>.</p>
<h3>We Were Educated</h3>
<p>This has changed as a result of Tech Day. I now know that EVA is still pretty much what I thought it was but that it is fairly simple to configure. I now know that HP has two lines of deduplication appliances, and that one is homegrown. I now know that HP develops and sells a FC SAN virtualization platform based on the LSI/StoreAge product. This was great product exposure for HP: Even though I still don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll focus on these offerings, <strong>at least I now know that they exist</strong>.</p>
<p>We also saw some more interesting content: HP plans to leverage their excellent ProLiant server and blade technology to underpin a line of <strong>commodity-based storage and consolidated virtualization offerings</strong>. This is exciting stuff, and builds on HP&#8217;s base and their recent acquisitions. The most interesting concept I saw was a combination of a blade chassis and ultra-dense storage system with VMware ESX, LeftHand, Ibrix, and HP&#8217;s management software. They definitely plan to challenge Cisco/EMC and IBM in this market.</p>
<p>But <strong>the best part of the event was the people of HP</strong>. The company was smart enough to bring in the techies rather than executive marketing droids. They gave us straight and honest answers about their product capabilities and their place within the company, sometimes to the chagrin of others in the room. We saw conflicting definitions, product line overlaps, internal competition, and got a feel for the realities of this massive company. Every company is like this, but most would never admit what we already know. By not showering us with slick FUD, <strong>HP won our respect in a way that I would not have thought possible</strong>.</p>
<h3>Colorado Take-Away</h3>
<p>The event was great. Every other IT company should wise up and do the same. But I bet they won&#8217;t have the nerve to do it as openly, and I expect HP will be more careful next time too. As for HP&#8217;s products, let me lay out my honest opinion:</p>
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<li><strong>LeftHand was a bargain</strong>. HP could replace their entire sub-XP block storage product line with LeftHand variants based on commodity Intel hardware. I think they should.</li>
<li><strong>Ibrix is too new to judge</strong>, but will likely take a seat next to LeftHand in a unified commodity-based scale-out SAN/NAS platform.</li>
<li>I hope HP hasn&#8217;t lost focus on their <strong>excellent Hitachi-based XP line</strong>, since it&#8217;s the only challenger they have to EMC Symmetrix at the high end of the market.</li>
<li>HP&#8217;s excellent <strong>server and blade hardware</strong> should be leveraged throughout the company and oddball hardware should be curtailed.</li>
<li>HP has an interesting lineup of <strong>Windows Storage Server and Windows Home Server hardware</strong> aimed at the low-end SOHO and SMB market. I&#8217;m not a Windows hater, but wouldn&#8217;t it be cool to have a super-low-end LeftHand variant there too?</li>
<li>I wonder if HP&#8217;s home-grown in-line <strong>deduplication</strong> (the D2D line) could replace the Sepaton-sourced post-process VLS line or vice-versa if an acquisition of that company happens.</li>
<li><strong>I don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; SVSP</strong>, the LSI/StoreAge SAN virtualization platform. It&#8217;s nice and it seems to work, but why introduce a FC SAN virtualization platform at this point? Maybe it sells when integrated with EVA, but not as a standalone product.</li>
<li>Where are all the storage arrays that use <strong>2.5&#8243; disk drives</strong> that HP <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2007/12/13/where-are-the-ultra-dense-arrays/"  target="_blank">talked about</a> over the last few years? And where are the flash <strong>solid state drives</strong>?</li>
<li>They were like deer in the headlights with no story when I asked about <strong>sub-LUN automated tiered storage</strong> since even full-LUN automation has not yet been released. Might <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/08/17/emc-vmax-fast-coming-december/"  target="_blank">EMC get there first</a>?</li>
<li>As for the absence of <strong>DCB and FCoE</strong>, HP seems to think that <strong>Virtual Connect and Flex-10</strong> are good enough for now. HP will OEM a CNA soon and might possibly consider the Cisco Nexus 4000. Maybe. They had better have a more-convincing story when this stuff takes off next year!</li>
<li>Most importantly, where is the <strong>cloud strategy</strong>? I applaud HP for not overusing the current buzzword, but it almost seems like they are avoiding the topic entirely.</li>
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<p>I am left thinking that HP is like a boxed puzzle. All of the pieces are there, but they haven&#8217;t been put into place yet. Let&#8217;s hope <a href="http://gestaltit.com/featured/top/devang/dave-donatellis-move-emc-hp/"  target="_blank">Dave Donatelli</a> and his crew can help them work it out when he takes his post as czar of servers, networking, <em>and storage</em> next year. For now, I&#8217;ve gained a lot of respect for the people of HP and a pile of knowledge about their storage products. And <strong>HP has gained my attention</strong>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second entry in my Top-Ten in Storage series. Not every innovative product can succeed in the market, and no matter how good some ideas seem, they can fail to make much of an impact. The truth is, people buy solutions, not technologies. This list includes products so cool, so ahead of their [...]]]></description>
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<p>Not every innovative product can succeed in the market, and no matter how good some ideas seem, they can fail to make much of an impact. The truth is, people buy solutions, not technologies.</p>
<p>This list includes products so cool, so ahead of their time, that they just couldn&#8217;t fail. But they did.</p>
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<h3 class="post-subhead">1988 EMC Orion/Allegro</h3>
<p>EMC&#8217;s RAM-based storage array predated and presaged its Symmetrix, offering lightning-quick I/O for very small workloads. But the Orion had a few serious drawbacks: It was astonishingly expensive, offered tiny capacity, and was never available for open systems. EMC&#8217;s initial offerings in the open systems market, Centriplex and Harmonix, also deserve mention though the company proved its worth with its &#8220;<a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/11/15/top-ten-storage-hardware/"  target="_blank">best</a>&#8221; Symmetrix a few years later.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">1985 3COM 3Server</h3>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2007/06/25/storage-history-the-3server/"  target="_blank">the 3Server</a> before, but let&#8217;s sum up: Before RAID, SAN, and NAS, and even before NetWare and NFS became entrenched, 3COM introduced a flexible multi-disk network storage and print server called the 3Server. It was an innovative combination of hardware and software, but it lost out to NetWare on open PC hardware in the market. Although the 3Server lasted just a few years, it made a lasting contribution to the field: Its 3+Share software became 3+Open, then LAN Manager, and was finally absorbed by Microsoft to become SMB/CIFS.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">HP AutoRAID (High Availability Disk Array Model 12)</h3>
<p>The first post-RAID virtual sprang fully-formed from the big brains at HP to challenge the industry-leading modular offerings from Data General&#8217;s CLARiiON and DEC/Compaq&#8217;s StorageWorks. It one-upped everyone with automatic relocation of LUNs between different RAID levels based on workload about a decade before Compellent, EqualLogic, and 3PAR had anything of the sort. But the AutoRAID had two key drawbacks: Like mama bear, it wasn&#8217;t big enough for big companies but was too big and expensive for little ones, and it was SCSI-only (though a Fibre Channel bridge was a common accessory). Some of the concepts lived on in the HP EVA line, but AutoRAID didn&#8217;t last long.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">Microsoft Object File System (OFS)/Relational File System (RFS)/WinFS</h3>
<p>Microsoft shoulda-coulda-woulda revolutionized file storage with nearly every major operating system release. It looks the same every time: A database/filesystem hybrid that would add structure to the vast unstructured file world. Despite the hype, we haven&#8217;t seen it yet. </p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">MangoSoft Medley</h3>
<p>Consider the typical LAN: Lots of clients with lots of hard drive space connected to a server with yet more disk capacity. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if the space on these clients could be used as a virtual network server? Well that&#8217;s just what MangoSoft announced in 1997, gaining much attention in the PC press. Sadly, the idea never really caught on, although MangoSoft continued. But distributed network storage has become the industry&#8217;s <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadoon"  target="_blank">Brigadoon</a>, trotted out as a new idea year after year.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">StorageNetworks</h3>
<p><em>This is my flop &#8211; I worked for StorageNetworks from 1999 through 2001.</em></p>
<p>StorageNetworks was launched in 1998 to provide off-premise storage and backup as an on-demand service for enterprise customers. They sought to take advantage of the emergence of high-speed Fibre Channel connectivity over metro distances to commoditize storage capacity. But only Houston (where I worked) had an acceptable infrastructure for the service, so the company changed focus to hosting centers. Then off-site backup. Then software. Nothing worked apart from vendor-independent services, and the (now public) company was shy to base its revenues on that. StorageNetworks was gone in 2003, but does the service remind anyone of Amazon S3 or Nirvanix? Maybe it was just ahead of its time.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">Compaq VersaStor</h3>
<p>Announced in 1999, VersaStor would have been a revolution in Fibre Channel SANs, a full out of band virtualization solution leveraging specialized HBAs directing traffic. It was continually pushed back, finally being &#8220;merged&#8221; (after Compaq) with HP&#8217;s StorageApps in-band SANLink to become CASA. But then EMC sued HP over virtualization patents, derailing CASA, and the whole mess was permanently shelved at the end of 2003.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">IBM Ice Cube/Collective Intelligent Bricks Hardware</h3>
<p>IBM rocked the storage press in 2003 with their announcement of Almaden Research&#8217;s Ice Cube concept. Instantly dubbed &#8220;Lego brick storage&#8221; (trademarks be damned!), the storage units could be stacked in two dimensions, scaling without limit. Coolest of all (literally), the bricks were chilled with water! Although the concept progressed, we still haven&#8217;t seen it. But this didn&#8217;t stop Seagate from developing a similar concept, ISE, which is now Xiotech&#8217;s main offering. IBM&#8217;s Storage Tank and VSS could have been nominated, too, but I&#8217;m not a sadist.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">Revivio CDP</h3>
<p>Revivio was the pioneer of continuous data protection (CDP), with great technology and people. But no one (other than Symantec, eventually) bought it.</p>
<h3 class="post-subhead">Pirus</h3>
<p>Little Pirus was working on a small but scalable virtualized target when it was acquired by Sun in September of 2002. Their technology was launched as the StorEdge 6920, a mini alternative to the HDS USP in 2004, but (<a href="http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid5_gci1245572,00.html"  target="_blank">according to insiders</a>) it didn&#8217;t exactly light the world on fire. Sun finally pulled the plug on the 6920 in early 2007, with HDS taking over continuing support for anyone who bought the moribund product.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Compellent <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/13/compellent_adds_ssd/"  target="_blank">has just announced</a> at Storage Networking World that they&#8217;ll be adding enterprise solid state drives (SSDs) to their excellent fully-virtualized storage arrays. Why is this worth shouting about? Simply because their automated block-based tiered storage architecture ought to be able to really take full advantage of the performance offered by SSDs. If you&#8217;ll pardon the pun, SSD in a Compellent array is positively <em>compelling</em>!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a second to review: EMC became the first modern storage vendor to include NAND flash-based solid state drives as a standard tier of storage in an enterprise storage product when they <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/01/14/flash-emcs-dmx-is-the-new-new-thing-again/"  target="_self">announced flash in the Symmetrix DMX in January</a>. Although every other vendor has made &#8220;me too&#8221; comments since then, enterprise flash remains pretty rare. Could Compellent really be the second major vendor to actually do something, coming along 10 months later?</p>
<p>More than a year ago, <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2007/08/02/wherefore-art-thou-solid-state-disks/"  target="_self">I rhetorically asked where the enterprise solid state drives were</a>. In that post, and <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2007/08/14/commercial-ssds-are-here/"  target="_self">others that followed</a>, I suggested that SSD wouldn&#8217;t really &#8220;work&#8221; as a mainstream tier unless a storage array was smart enough to dynamically allocate content to this &#8220;tier-0&#8243; <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/10/05/granularity-challenge-storage-management/"  target="_self">in a granular fashion</a>. In other words, adding a big lump of flash to a static storage array and trying to manually allocate it on a LUN-by-LUN basis to hot applications is not likely to meet anyone&#8217;s cost/benefit sniff test!</p>
<p>But if a <a href="http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/09/14/turning-page-raid/"  target="_self">post-RAID</a> storage system was smart, it could really make use of the technology, and that&#8217;s what makes Compellent&#8217;s announcement so interesting. They dynamically move <em>blocks</em> (rather than the much-bigger LUNs) around, and could thus make a smaller amount of flash go a lot further. Add a few flash drives and let the system tune itself! This is a big differentiator, folks!</p>
<p>Of course, this is not just Compellent&#8217;s advantage. Any fully-virtualized system could do the same, and we&#8217;ve heard such talk from folks as diverse as <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.communities.hp.com/online/blogs/datastorage/archive/2008/10/08/solid-state-hype-or-fud.aspx"  target="_self">HP</a> (I&#8217;d love to see it in both EVA and LeftHand), IBM (for real in SVC, not the <a href="http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/storagevirtualization?entry=1m_iops_from_flash_actions"  target="_blank">science experiment</a>), <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/studler/entry/open_storage_the_r_evolution"  target="_blank">Sun</a> (combined with ZFS), <a href="http://thesantechnologist.com/?p=161"  target="_blank">Dell/EqualLogic</a>, and I&#8217;d love to hear it from 3PAR. Bring it on, folks! <a href="http://storageio.com/blog/?p=8"  target="_blank">Listen to Greg</a>!  Let&#8217;s get this technology integrated, tested, released, and in the field!</p>
<p>Update: Compellent probably won&#8217;t ship their SSDs in volume &#8217;till Q1. But <a rel="nofollow" href="http://storagearchitect.blogspot.com/2008/10/compellent-and-ssds.html"  target="_blank">Chris Evans seems to agree with me</a> 100%, and <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/dell_deduplication_strategy/"  target="_blank">Dell is talking SSD</a> (but no promises yet).</p>
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